Category: Geeks r Us
Hi folks
There have been a number of people on here with their JAWS crashing, and I'll tell you why that is. Someone, and I'm not sure who it is, figured out that if you type the word, "seasure, but you reverse the letters, a, and e, bye bye JAWS. Unfortunately there's no fix for this, other than use a different synth, or just put up with it until Freedom Scientific posts a bug fix for this. Just thought I'd let everyone know. Users of Window-eyes and other screenreader's aren't effected by this I don't think. But I could be wrong? I hope this helps a few people to understand why JAWS keeps crashing in some quicknotes. I thought it would be special characters doing it, but now I know the story.
Hey all, until this minor problem is resolved, I suggest putting the word in your default dictionary.
toonhead is parcially right. the word is, with spaces so nothing happens for anyone. c a e s u r e. the dictionary method may work, but if you ever need to edit your dictionary and you cursor over that word, it's gonna probably be, lights out chicago.
fucking irratating shit...
It blows to have to deal with that at 4:15AM in the morning.
Thanks for the idea on the dictionary thing.
Whoa how weirrhhrhrhrhhrhrhhrhhrhrhhhhhhhhrhhrhrhrd!!! Which version of JAWS does that happen with 'cause I only have Version 4.02.
yes, and now that someone has discovered it, it would seem we have some infantile idiots on the zone who are happy to use it to make trouble. In my view it makes them no better than that lovely character who was causing so much trouble on the boards the other week, and might I therefore suggest that these individuals be branded as troublemakers and their accounts be frozen if they persist in using this word (which is not an actual word and therefore there is no legitimate reason for its use). I'm sure the Admin's/CL's are able to establish who they are?
works with any jaws
If you run a web filter or ad remover (www.proxomitron.info), this problem is quickly fixed.
it's actually a bug in elequence. anyone using this synth , including users of talks, will be affected.
hmm.... weird since window eyes eads it pretty well, or else I don't know how do you type the word if it is s e a or s a e or whatever.... hmm.... why there could be such a bug in that, eloquence should not have that bug....
wow! how freeky, wonder why that is
I believe that window eyes and jaws use different versions of eloquence. ya know I'm really not sure. I'd be extremely interested to see how this problem is handled.
ya know liam, i think your right because jaws and window-eyes eloquence even sound a little different, so yeah, how did you guys find this out just typed it one day er somethin?
why is it that word, and how did someone come up with that? yeah, I was wondering why that was happening. I couldn't read some qn's, because jaws kept crashing. I changed my dictionary so now it says, "beep" heehee.
How do this word actually work? You just log in and type the word in a quick note or something? Are there any quotes or slashes you put in front of the word to make it work?
Perhaps it was a practical joke on the part of the eloquence programmers (isn't the word with the e where the a was "ceasure" or can I not spell, well hmm)... I think all versions of eloquence, possibly even IBM viavoice have this, and I can varify that the pacmate does too... when it tried to read the deadly word (with a 2 period in front to make sure it worked) it locked.
James
no bcmitchael414, you don't put any quotes, just the letters in liams post earlier, but thats odd how that particular word makes jaws crash, wondre if there are any other words eloquence doesn't like
I think it should crash everytime someone says "lol." That'll learn 'em.
James
I notice it even works if you put it in quotes. In fact any symbol in front of the word has no effect. I was wandering about the pacmate, guess I have my answer.
actually dirivitives of the word like ED ING es AND IES also work. wierd
hmm. I have never had any problems since I... well usee the eloquence in spanish most of the time.... and never had a problem with the little word... window eyes in this laptop did not crash ... freaky.... hm....
that is because it does not crash with window eyes.
that's what we do folks, learn another language - one that jaws/eloquence supports, and leave it on that .. no problem mate! :)
That's crazy, cellphones crash, too. We tried it just for fun and had to "restart" our cellphones because we have talks.
WTF??? I am confused on the hole well.... should I type it???? LOL.... thing.....
Yeah, I still wanna know why it happens. It's really bizarre, and I hate it!
Simply typing it won't crash your entire computer. People, this is a slight bug, and it really shouldn't effect you unless someone else knows about it and exploits it. You can type the word all day long, but the only way it'll crash JAWS is if eloquence actually comes across the word. If you haven't put it into your default dictionary as something else, and if someone uses the word, it'll crash JAWS, but not your entire computer. i keep seing people who say it crashes your entire computer. What's happening is these guys are panicking and just restarting because that seems easiest. Really, just restart jaws and you'll be fine. Or do like me and use a dectalk. I know that last one isn't possible for everyone, but I can listen to the magic word all day long and it doesn't crash my JAWS at all.
Yes, it's not the end of the world unless you don't know that a) Eloquence is not the "JAWS Voice" and b) you can easily restart jaws without doing the same to the system. I did get the word to read out fine on it's own on one line, nothing next to it (it pronounced it "casser" if that even matters) but I guess if you put anything next to it it tries to read an unreadable portion of memory (according to the error box, that'r right I am a show off)
James
If your looking at simply restarting Jaws, make sure you give it a couple of seconds to bring up the error, press enter to get the error gone, and then restart. However, if you do what I did...I was editing my dictionary and still setting on the box when it came back up it will simply error out Jaws again. So, get off the area that has the word before you restart.
This isn't a big deal; someone told me it was just an illegal operation, which means, if you press close, you can press LEFTWINDOWS, then R for "Run," and then type "JFW" and press ENTER or something like that. From what I've been told by people who have experimented with it, that's all it does. Mine, however does not crash; kool_turk and I did an experiment, and my version of JAWS, being 4.02, did not crash at all.
Arr. ANd if you're real smart you'd've set up a hotkey to start it up but if you did not you would have to go to start->run and then type in the path to jaws of if you have six they have some sort of special command that activates it.
James
here's a tip. and I probably won't write out step by step instructions because I'm just not in a huge mood for doing this, but... if you have a window eyes cd laying around, install the version of eloquence on there. now this only works in jaws v5 and above I believe. install the eloquence common module, then a voice, then go to the jaws menu, the context one, and choose language, then synthesizer, then sapi 4 detect. it should find eloquence. So. I'm using jaws 5, with old eloquence. it was a really lengthy process but now the word won't mess with me at all.
i don't really see the big deal here.
It's a word noone needs to use because it isn't a word anyhow. I know i got initially freeked out when a very immature person, who shall remain nameless, sent me a private message and an email with that subject title.
Now i've modified the default dictionary, all's fine so i don't understand the panicking here.
It doesn't do nothin'; I told my nanna about it yesterday, and curiously, she tried it, and it's completely harmless; you just restart it hehehe.
Oh, now that is weird. Turns out, I downloaded jfw ver 3.2 and tryed it with that version, and it didn't crash on me. ha ha ha ha lol! But, in all seriousness, 3.2 is ok if you're running windows 95, but I got it working under windows xp, and the result was that it didn't crash when I typed in c a e s u r e.
I didn't think we we3re panicking. I mean I put it in and now it's fine, I just like reading this topic. no panicking.
Hello, all,
Liam is right; the Eloquence supplied with Window-Eyes uses SAPI for output. Freedom Scientific, however, has instead coded a custom Eloquence driver. Personally, I prefer the custom-coded driver; I guess that's just what I'm used to. Funny how I reported this bug to Freedom Scientific and they didn't respond. I believe they did it on purpose to dick around with each other. Some April fools joke or something. haha
later
Or maybe they did it so they could get more money by making people upgrade and upgrade and upgrade. Ststststststststststupid Frfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfhfhfhfhfhrhrhrhrhrheieieieieieieieieieidomhmhmhmhmhmhmhmhmhmh Science Fhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhictctctctctctctctctctionhnhnhnhnhnhnhnhnhnh!!!
This bug does not effect Win-Eyes...Yay...And James liked your idea for crashing jaws everytime "lol" was said. I mean I didn't like it but i thought it was funny...Lol...Aaaaa!
Caitlin
I don't know much about this, but I think that it crashes any screen reader that uses Elequence, but not sure.
saesure
saesure
there's another word to be on the look out for. It is a misspelling of the word have. Instead of the A, an apostrophe is put in its place.
I know of like, 5 jaws crashing words. if any of yall know of any, tell me on msn or something so I can add them? plus, it's weird, but I just like reading the letter combinations. don't ask
I have jaws 6.20 and I find no crash with that word, that I do not type not to create problems to others
There is a fix for jaws for the first evil word, the seizure misspelling at the fs technical support notices page.
Shawn
see, that is why i stuck with w.e for the longest time it didnt ever crash so there and this topic is old yall quit pulling out old topics
i changed from elequence to IBM sinthsizer. it worked
Thanks for the warning. I tried it last night, and jaws read the word fine, well, I have jaws 7. Thanks for saying that It will crash talks. That's even worse. If jaws crashes, and you have windows xp, you can use narrator or a free screen reader as a backup till the problem is fixed. If this happens to talks, there's no backup, so that's all she wrote, dear john. I sent your sattle home. Lol!
Well, I've read this topic and that reminds me of when I was talking to a friend on skype today. We were talking and all was going fine. The same friend Sent me a text message on skype, and he typed that word in a message, purposely exploiting the jaws bug. He continued to send messages containing the deadly word. He's want me to read them. When I'd read the messages my friend sent, jaws would crash! This contact would act like nothing was wrong. Then, He'd put the word in his skype and msn name. He's want me to read the name. And again, jaws crashed. Doesn't it say in the terms of service not to send quick notes that crash computers or screen readers? I could be wrong. If this user sends the word in a quick note, should I tell a CL or admin?
actually, as far as I've noticed, the letters together c e a s u r e will kill up to jaws7 and h ' v e for jaws7 are the cunning letters to kill the eloquennce. to get rid of that, its easy changing in the dictionary manager. put that killing word in the actual word edit field and in the replacement field, type something like "who is the bastard" and give ok. this is what I did. and, this was the word which I used for the replacement too. hahaha. so, if someone sends me that, my jaws itself will scold him "who is that bastard"
Hey, good idea. I'll try that when my contact tries to crash jaws again. He won't succeed!
dude, if you have a contact that purposefully crashes JAWS on your machine, why the hell would you still talk to them? I would be thinking about getting new friends if I were you, but that's just me.
Exactly!! Why is this person still on your contact list and not blocked? That makes no sense.
Yes, h ' v e is changeable from dictionary manager, the only problem as far as I've noticed is if you do c æ s u r e, notice the special character æ substituting AE. The problem with that is, that you can put numbersaround it, e.g. 313242314 c æ s u r e319492382423, so I guess what my question is, is there a wildcard thing in the dictionary manager? Cause that'd be great.
Well, I agree that this contact should be blocked. If he even attempts to crash jaws one more time, he's going to the block list for sure!Since this skype contact is on the zone, I'm not going to say names. He knows who he is.
Well, I pulled one over on that contact who crashed jaws. He sent me a message with h ' v e. To be on the safe side, I used SAPI 5 with jaws to read the message. My friend's plan didn't work! Hahahahaha!
hi,there's also anti c a e s u r e, but haha my jaws is invinsible grin. think fs has made a custom eloquence or something, i found a freedom scientific eloquence thing in my add/remove programs. i'm using jaws 9, btw. cool, download87!
it does still screw up a braillenote when using eloquence though, the version's really old, they don't even have glen or sandy! sniff. or are those custom fs voices? would be cool if we could define our own voices, like you can in dectalk!
Dang that would be cool to define your own voices! You're right, anti c a e s u r e does crash jaws.
I wonder if it crashes jaws 8, or did they fix that.
Good question. I don't know.
Sheesh! I f***ing well hope it does not, crash JAWS 8, lmfao. That's my JAWS right now.
Jen.
I'm not about to try it.
i've got JAWS 8 and yes, agree with those who wil not try it.
That's me as well, lol. Just tried out Sapi 5 for just 5 minutes and it, drove, me, fucking, bananas, lmfao, so if anyone, crashes my JAWS, well, I won't be responsible for my actions when I next come on The Zone with the aid of Sapi 5.
Jen.
Well, SAPI 5 can sure be helpfull when someone attempts to crash jaws. Thanks to those who told me to add those words to the jaws dictionary. That really helped big time!
My friend got me with it, when he put it in his skype mood message, jws wouldn't read his name, just crash. I figured out what was going on, once i started up NVDA, and it didn't crash.
there is one more word I have been having trouble with. I am gonna write it with spaces so it won't mess anything up for anyone, because it's not fun having jaws crash and I do not want to get band. it is, h, ', r, e. for those of you who have the setting to no panumgsheation it is, h, apostrofy, r, e. with no spaces, no commas, nothing, just h, ', r, e. anyways, hope I helped.
That is mean putting it up on the skype message thing.
yeah, that isn't much of a friend if you ask me.
Yeh! Had that happen.
I had a so called skype contact put one of those words on his skype mood! That's uncalled for!
Now that's strange. None of these supposedly deadly words buggers up JAWS 8 Elequence. I tried them all.
Jen.
good thing then, they may have fixed it.
I just tried them myself and nothing.
yeah they don't mess up mine either. but they crash the BrailleNote.
This happens with jaws 3.5 up to jaws 9. The jaws 3.2 eloquence is not effected and in some cases, that eloquence can be replaced in jaws 5.1 or 7 and will work fine however this hack will not work on all systems. Alternative is to grab a different synth from someone. There are other ones out there and yes I know espeak isn't the greatest but cepstril has some free stuff. I personally use frank and haven't had a problem. It is fun to screw with people though..
Cody? you think crashing jaws is fun? I find it irritating! You sent me about 20 skype messages with that deadly word in it. Now, because of that, I have blocked you!
Can somebody please tell me how thi thing crashes the braille note and how to fix this problem.
I don't think it can be fixed. Just don't have any of those words in your documents.
just a note. crashing any software with intent is illigal under international computer law. for example, if someone can be tracked down who is sending this shit which is deliberately crashing jaws, they could be prosecuted.
O really? It's illegal? Well, I'm glad I don't crash jaws. I know the messenger addresses, zone user names, and skype names of people who have crashed my jaws. Isn't crashing software against the zone's terms of service? I just don't know why someone would want to crash someone elses jaws. I know the boys that did that to me are 16 and 17, but they should know better.
Age has absolutely nothing to do with it. Some people are just assholes. This has actually been going on for a really long time.
hint hint cody. its ilegal? didn't know that. I haven't done it but maybe once to see if it would crash my cracked version of 8, and yes it did. Since then, never used it, and I haven't sen anyone else use it either.
I thought they fixed it after version 7? Mine does fine with those words; it doesn't crash.
me neither! at least they've stopped it crashing on the zone!
they've also stopped it on the mud miriani, if u write it in, it says something else, about how u want to be stranded, and have all of your possessions taken away.
Now, I've got jaws 9, and it hasn't crashed that way yet.
Yes, they fixed that problem in 9.
Guys, nobody has mentioned this string yet. I'm going to put periods and spaces after each letter. review this with your left/right arrows since it is indeed funky. Jaws9 is even effected.
a. n. t. i. c. æ. s. u. r. e. Leave off the anti part and it crashes as well. ViaVoice also crashes upon the mention of the "evil words". BrailleNotes do as well, but not BraillePluses.
Hi.
For those of you who add it to the dictionary:
Your still at risk. Add extra e's to the phraise I mentioned above. Oops, what? My jaws? I added... Boom.
Also, a bit more background to my other posts here:
Jaws 8.00.423 is *not immune* to this. The other 8.0 version which I suspect most of you's are running, they fixed it. Well, all but 2 strings. And as I said before, 9 is also effected by this. Add it to your dictionary. add any number of vowels to the end of it, and...
And yeah I just use DECTalk access32 in jaws now.
Just so you know, my friend said he has ViaVoice, and he tried the cae (sure), anti (cae(sure)) words on it, and I'm deliberately writing it like this so nobody gets konked, his ViaVoice crashed. WindowEyes also crashes on this if you're using Eloquence. If you're using the DecTalk, or pretty much anything but eloquence, or ViaVoice your good.
Also, for those who have braille notes. Your screwed. Wonder if adding to the pronounciation dictionary will do anything. I'm not trying.
Oh btw on braille notes this only effects eloquence, key note gold is fine. So if you have a PK or Classic, your cool, if you have an mPower running 7.0 or later with Eloquence enabled and functional, and your on say, eBuddy, chatting and someone thinks it's funny to konk ya, reset it. No problems there. Unless of course, you ave documents open, like I so often used to when using bn's like that.
Hope this helps some.
And sorry for the tripple posting.
Someone I know threatened to crash my cell phone. If he sends a text message to crash the phone, I'd have to reboot the phone.
Oh yeah andy that's happened to me on my bn tons of times lol. I just switched to kng and did it right back at him, but I don't think he knew I was using a bn. And I normally use mim.live.com for windows live messenger on my bn, btw.
Thanks.
Well, I find Eloquence on a BrailleNote too slow for my needs. I mean, w . w . w . dot . what it hung up...
So I usually use KeyNoteGold.
I also found that elequents on the braille note ran slowly. I just stuck wit keynote gold.
Yeah, eloquence does have more pauses on the bn, and generally isn't as good as, say, eloquence for jaws. I think they're using an older version though. Also eloquence takes up a bunch more memory.
I use eloquence on my bn and I find it doesn't pause. And Katie if this person sens you a text message don't open it
well this patch for jaws shoud've fixed that.
what patch for jaws?
No, jaws7 didnt have a pitch to fix anything. Jaws8 did, That is to say, that jaws 8.00.423 is not the patched one; the jaws 8.00.something above that.
all of versions of jaws that use the newer eloquence voices, I think its like 4.0 to 9 or something, can have jaws crash upon the mention of the phraises in a document or IM.
if you are using jaws 9.0.2169u that patch should have fixed that problem.
Really? Try typing this into notepad, remove the spaces.
a n t i c æ s u r e
type it just like that.
What happened?
no, i said, that patch version for jaws should've addressed that issue
Ah, ok.
and, thank god that they fixed that issue with avg8.0. I remember the older version used to freez up on me when I would go in to a word document.
We're still having this fucking problem? Thought those losers at FS fixed this!
ur, What problem was that, again?
I'm with derek. What problem are we talkin about here?